Axles for a softcore build

[Helidump]

sooooo you went from softcore build to custom built hybrid to 1 ton axles pretty quick. whats your definition of hardcore?


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It went full circle. At this rate I'm going to stuff the POS XJ D30 that's out in the trees into it. Or at least I think it's out there, I haven't looked for it in a long time.

now thats softcore! and probably good enough anyway as long as it doesnt need to be regeared. remind me again why you dont just throw rubi axles under this thing and be done with it? the initial cost is higher for sure but most likely they wont need as much work and money thrown at then to make them driveable. 1 tons are great and everything but kinda big and heavy for what youre doing. If you get that little farfignugget to 150hp id be surprised but theres always turbos and nitrous....


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[Scott Cee AKA 2drx4]

sooooo you went from softcore build to custom built hybrid to 1 ton axles pretty quick. whats your definition of hardcore?


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It went full circle. At this rate I'm going to stuff the POS XJ D30 that's out in the trees into it. Or at least I think it's out there, I haven't looked for it in a long time.

now thats softcore! and probably good enough anyway as long as it doesnt need to be regeared. remind me again why you dont just throw rubi axles under this thing and be done with it? the initial cost is higher for sure but most likely they wont need as much work and money thrown at then to make them driveable. 1 tons are great and everything but kinda big and heavy for what youre doing. If you get that little farfignugget to 150hp id be surprised but theres always turbos and nitrous....


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That's all well and good but there isn't ANY Rubicon axles to be had this side of Ontario.

Mopar also discontinued the crate JK axles.

They sell JL ones now, but I don't know much about them. They're different yet.

[Scoobienorth]

The jl diffs are lighter, smaller yet dana claims stronger through use of better materials and design. The front axle disconnect kinda turns me away from them.

[Scott Cee AKA 2drx4]

The jl diffs are lighter, smaller yet dana claims stronger through use of better materials and design. The front axle disconnect kinda turns me away from them.

Yeah, they have a CAD. And the knuckles are aluminum I think. Gears are smaller but even bigger bearings too I think? Not sure if the brackets are all in the same place either, not that it really matters.

Kinda goofy stuff.

[Scott Cee AKA 2drx4]

https://www.danaaftermarket.com/spicer- ... xle%C2%AE-
spicer says their crate front D44 axle is 430lbs at 63.8" WMS complete w/brakes <--that sounds super heavy to me thicker tube than stock stuff maybe?

https://www.danaaftermarket.com/ud60-au ... angler-jk-

the "ultimate D60" complete with JK brackets claims to be 530lbs at 69" WMS complete

so wild ass guess would be that running the smaller tube of the 44 and the smaller center chunk should save you ~70lbs or so? 50lbs? i'm not sure what the difference between the outsides would be, but the complete thing seems to net 100 lbs

Interesting enough I looked at this a bit more and that P/N for the Ultimate D44 does not come with outer knuckles or brakes. It's meant to reuse the stock stuff. That P/N is just without brackets, and they list the weight as the same as the one with them, probably because they sell so few that it doesn't really matter.

This is the normal one with brackets. No knuckles/brakes. Same weight at 430lbs. I'm not sure if that's a shipping weight (including crate/pallet/bubblewrap) or the actual part.

https://www.danaaftermarket.com/ud44-au ... angler-jk-

[Provience]

huh, that's odd. how ultimate could it be if you still need to pick up junk yard parts to complete it

[Scott Cee AKA 2drx4]

huh, that's odd. how ultimate could it be if you still need to pick up junk yard parts to complete it

The theory is you already have them... Keeping costs down.

When it's still retarded expensive.

But it makes you (well, me at least) wonder about the weight. The outer knuckles, hubs/unit bearings, brake rotor, calipers, etc, for the D44, I mean it has to be around 30 pounds a side? Meaning there's only a 40-50 pound difference between the 44 and the 60, when the 60 is 4" wider, has what looks to be bigger knuckles, bigger shafts/ujoints, locking hubs (probably a Superduty style unit bearing?), bigger ring/pinion/carrier/etc.



Does anyone know what a 99-04 D50 front weighs? Curious how it compares to the D60 I have.

[Provience]

yeah, hell for the price it should be all there so you could at least sell your 'old' axle for a decent chunk of change.

i'm having a hard time seeing how the 60 could only be 50lbs heavier fully loaded. brings it back to the question of what tube they are using for the D44 to make it so damn heavy

[Scott Cee AKA 2drx4]

Their D60 weight makes reasonable sense to me. The two D60s I have are 500lbs and 540lbs. That is complete, like actually complete, brakes, steering, oil, etc. Just no brackets for link suspension, although they do have their leaf perches on them still. Their axle doesn't have steering, but it has a locker and a 10" ring gear and probably a beefier center section. So I think that weight is an actual weight, not a shipping weight.

Their D44 uses 2.5x.3125 tubes. Maybe 35lbs worth of axle tube in the whole thing. Compared with about 60lbs for their D60, and 70lbs for my 96 Ford and 80lbs for the 04 Ford.

[Scott Cee AKA 2drx4]

I honestly have no idea how it can weigh that much. Unless that weight they gave is actually what it would weigh once assembled with the knuckles/brakes/etc. Which actually would be a pretty reasoable figure to give, as far as actually providing a useful number for comparison between the axle options that are out there, assuming you realized that's what they meant.

I find it a little annoying that the other axle builders seem to be less than forthcoming with what their products weigh. Currie offers no useful information on their D44, other than they added 14 pounds to the center section casting over the stock JK, and they use 3x.375" tubes. I'm not interested in their product, but I would be interested in it as a comparison. Likewise their 9" front, which the main point they make of going to it over a comparable "cast center section axle" is that it would possibly save about 50lbs of weight, but again they offer no number of what the total weight is.

I'm still trying to determine what will be my Goldilocks axle. D44 with normal outers, D44/D60 hybrid (I realized I can use the Cs off the 04 axle with the 3.5" tubes a lot easier than the earlier ones), or just take the 96 D60 and cut it shorter/shave the shit out of it, and put the 04 outers on it. I haven't actually bought anything for this specifically yet, but I have a 77 F-150 D44 that I can snag (solid tubes, no cast shit) that combined with Snowracer's D44 would make a complete one. The D60s I already have and I have no emotional attachment to either.

[Scott Cee AKA 2drx4]

Also my dreams of an AWD tcase died with looking into more NP242 failures, and the fact I can't even source a HD one. So I now want selectable hubs. That rules out the D30 and JK D44, and it makes the Ford D44 a little harder to deal with because if I ran the drive flanges you can keep the hubs from sticking out too bad, but otherwise you're pretty stuck with going to Yukon Hardcore hubs. The 04 Ford is the most compact setup, and the stock hub is fine. Hell I could even hook up the vacuum shit and make it lock automagically.

[Helidump]

Also my dreams of an AWD tcase died with looking into more NP242 failures, and the fact I can't even source a HD one. So I now want selectable hubs. That rules out the D30 and JK D44, and it makes the Ford D44 a little harder to deal with because if I ran the drive flanges you can keep the hubs from sticking out too bad, but otherwise you're pretty stuck with going to Yukon Hardcore hubs. The 04 Ford is the most compact setup, and the stock hub is fine. Hell I could even hook up the vacuum shit and make it lock automagically.

you could even run a vacuum hose in the cab and make the passenger suck on it to engage the front axle. good test for a first date


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